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access to firearms is associated with increased suicide risk. Uh nice try, but totally & completely wrong. Two separate studies, in Canada and Australia, conducted in conjunction with more restrictive firearms legislation, demonstrated that while said legislation showed a decrease in firearms suicide, other methods such as hanging increased. In Australia, the overall rate of suicide actually increased Why you repeat your lie yet again is a mystery only you can explain. I noticed you dropped the _link_s. Well done.
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That's the whole point - remove highly lethal means (such as a loaded gun kept readily available) and the studies concluded that the completion rate will likely fall. Are you seriously suggesting that everyone be denied access to arms because some will use them to commit suicide? Are seriously so stupid that you construct that strawman from what I( wrote. So what is your point Bill? Mine (and others) is that a suicide should be considered a firearm death just because the victim picked that particular tool. Indeed - on that we agree. Although that seems to contradict your earlier position and that of some of the other stupid gunloons. But I am glad you have come to your senses, at least in regard to the matter of counting firearm deaths. That it is disingenuousness to say that there are 30,000 firearms deaths What is deceptive about that - it is a matter of fact that is how they died. in the U.S. when the victim would have been a death statistic regardless of the choice of tool. That is your claim without evidence - numerous studies have found that some probably wouldn't have died. But if we adopt the method put forward by you and other gunloons, let's not count homicides because they could have been done using a different tool. And accidental shootings, they were unlucky and would have died in another accident. Gee look at that - in your fantasy world nobody dies of gunshot wounds. You are an idiot. There is no such thing as an Accidental Shooting, only a Negligent one. Unless of course the firearm malfunctions & discharges itself, but then it still isn't an accident it is a malfunction. But nobody gives a fuck, moron Nice to see your true colors.
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No - but even someone as skilled as you at distorting what has been written can see what was written immediately after what you quoted and which you have ignored- here it is again (such as a loaded gun kept readily available) . So you think the five seconds it takes to make a not readily available gun into a readily available gun is going to make a difference? I don't know where you get your 5 seconds - I can only cite the results of the studies. The amount of time it takes to convert an unloaded weapon to loaded one. Not if the gun, ammunition and if possible the bolt are stored separately. Is that what you are advocating? If so why? I am not advocating anything - I am explaining a condition a gun could be kept in so that it is not readily available . Of what use would such a storage method be when the firearm is used primarily for security & safety. The suicide statistics show that it is a risk to security and safety. And if we apply your novel use of 'average', then the average US citizen is not robbed or killed or assaulted. Absolutely corrected. Let's use percentages. 99.99% of Americans are not harmed in anyway by firearms annually. Such a pity that the figure is another of your lies. That would require only about 30,000 to be harmed by firearms annually. That's about how many are killed - there's about 3 times that many wounded badly enough to require hospital treatment and many that are psychologically affected after being threatened with them. You just can't stop lying can you. Oh big whoop, that would bring the percentage to what 99.97%
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RD (The Sandman) <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net wrote in message _b_link__y Bill <
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: That rate includes crimes related to the drug trade. Remove those as the rate goes quite a ways down. But the drug trade exists, so the use in that counted. And the FBI says that less than a quarter of firearm homicides are connected to other criminal activities, so the number would change by about 1. Actually, in about 80% of homicides one party or both are involved in either drug or gang activity. Evidence? Various police reports. Some police reports probably do, but you need evidence that shows 80% of homicides involve drug or gang activity. Why would I do that? That wasn't my claim. My claim was that in about 80% of the homicides, one party or both had involvement in either drug or gang activity. I did not say that the homicide did. Then provide evidence for your claim. Handwaving police reports is not evidence. If you do not want to use Police Reports or FBI numbers, exactly what do you want to use? FBI reports would be quite satisfactory - cite one that says that one or both parties in homicides are involved in drugs or crime activity. Simply go to www.fbi.gov all of the data is there. Nothing on that page about the the past histories of parties involved in homicides. You really should stop lying. Actually there is, but it requires a certain level of intelligence to use.
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: That rate includes crimes related to the drug trade. Remove those as the rate goes quite a ways down. But the drug trade exists, so the use in that counted. And the FBI says that less than a quarter of firearm homicides are connected to other criminal activities, so the number would change by about 1. Actually, in about 80% of homicides one party or both are involved in either drug or gang activity. Evidence? Various police reports. Some police reports probably do, but you need evidence that shows 80% of homicides involve drug or gang activity. Why would I do that? That wasn't my claim. My claim was that in about 80% of the homicides, one party or both had involvement in either drug or gang activity. I did not say that the homicide did. Then provide evidence for your claim. Handwaving police reports is not evidence. I made the statement as it is one I have read from time to time in news articles about homicides. I don't have a cite sitting here and don't care to look it up. If you wish to prove me wrong, go for it. That's not how it works - I am under no obligation to prove you wrong when you make a claim. You are obliged to provide evidence to support your claim, otherwise some might think you are just making it up, ancd that is exactly what I think you did. No your not as long as you keep your mouth closed. Yes you are - and police reports is not a verifiable source. Then tell Trevor to stop asking for them. They will be satisfactory if you can cite a report for every homicide in the US. I would have thought a FBI report summarising the information would have been easier to find. Your butt buddy zombywhiff said that the FBI has the figures. After all, you two are close enough together to be butt buddies. As are you and zombywhiff Always very easy to tell when a loser is losing. The ad hominem argument/attacks & name calling comes out. Looks like you were first to _b_link__ eh _b_link__y.
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They will be satisfactory if you can cite a report for every homicide in the US. I would have thought a FBI report summarising the information would have been easier to find. Your butt buddy zombywhiff said that the FBI has the figures. After all, you two are close enough together to be butt buddies. As are you and zombywhiff I guess we all have our preferences.  Gee it looks like somebody is jealous. 
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Norwegian Minister of Justice did not sit at home and dived in the waters of the Arctic. I must admit that bad for the minister!
